F22 Motor Build Up Begins

[93Accord]

Well, I placed an order today with raceeng.com for 11:1 pistons crower rods a file fit rings, as well as a full sleeve kit made by darton that closes off the deck. I'm going to be sending my head out to JG engine dynamics to have it ported and have a vavle job done on it. They are also getting me a new cam that should work well with the bottom end and headwork that I'm getting done. I'm going to be getting the intake manifold extrude honed, and will be getting a DC sports header for the prelude H23 b/c of the larger primary tubes. If anyone wants my pace setter header make me an offer. I'll let you guys know how everything works out when it's done. The motor should be ready to go for a 200 shot of nitrous by the time all of the work is done. Can't wait for spring to get here and get some new time slips.

Mr. Magoo here:

I cleaned up this post, I saw that it was requested to do so, so I did it. Now, keep this thread ON TOPIC, by this I mean, NO "post dyno's when done" or anything else not in relation to the build up. Questions concerning parts, or relation to n/a build to this may be posted.

[BJSHANLEY2112]

"a file fit rings, as well as a full sleeve kit made by darton that closes off the deck"

what kinda rings did u get? how much did the sleeve kit run ya? i'm on the same track as u. i've already got the intale manifold ported and tapped for no2, and head fully built. i've got all the hardwhere for my bottom end, just have to buy the pistons and connectin rods. whats the + and - for having a closed deck? run more no2? u going to bore da f22 block? how much all of this runnin u? what kinda clutch u going to run? i would love to hear more info ! thanks

brett

[93Accord]

Originally posted by BJSHANLEY2112
"a file fit rings, as well as a full sleeve kit made by darton that closes off the deck"

what kinda rings did u get? how much did the sleeve kit run ya? i'm on the same track as u. i've already got the intale manifold ported and tapped for no2, and head fully built. i've got all the hardwhere for my bottom end, just have to buy the pistons and connectin rods. whats the + and - for having a closed deck? run more no2? u going to bore da f22 block? how much all of this runnin u? what kinda clutch u going to run? i would love to hear more info ! thanks

brett

The sleeve kit was $520, and making the block closed deck doesnt really have any -, but like you said it will allow for a lot higher of a shot of nitrous. It also must be done when you want to run forged pistons, because the cast irons sleeves will be ripped apart by forged pistons. The block does not need to be bored out, the sleeve accepts 85mm pistons, and that is what I ordered. All together I'm expecting around 6k for everything, I'm going to keep the clutchmaster stage 2 that I have in there right now, until it blows up, then I'll go with a stage 5 setup.

Check out this link for some info on closing off the decks.
http://www.jgenginedynamics.com/proseries

[BJSHANLEY2112]

thanx for da info man, 1 last thing, did u buy the sleevs from raceeng.com also? i'm thing about just honein the cyclenders and puttin some prelude S pistons wit shopeend and balanced connecting rods. props on the engine that will be sweet! let me know where u bought those sleevs at, i might look into doin that.....

brett

[93Accord]

Yeah I got the sleeve kit from raceeng.com.
Prelude pistons will not fit with just a hone. Their stock diameter is 87mm where accords are 85mm. Plus there more than likely is a difference in the location of the wrist pin on the pistons, as well as the fact that you have to worry about if the vavles will meet up with the "pockets" of the pistons since its from a different motor. Plus you really can't bore out the cylinder walls in an accord since the stock sleeves are rather thin. My recommendation to you would to be to get higher compression pistons that are 85mm.

[92LX]

I'm seeing 11s in your future, if you built a turbo kit you'd probably do even better in the long run......20psi on a 140hp motor = 330hp.

either that, or you could run probably a 150hp shot of nitrous or so...but the boost would probably be better imho

[Howitt]

he raising the compression so he will make alot more power, I think you forgot to throw that in to the equation.

[93Accord]

<-- As you can see, I'm the n20 king, no turbo for me. I'm expecting to put a 150hp or a 200hp shot on the car. I want to go 12.0's but I have a feeling that I'll break into the 11's. Don't want a roll cage in my car.

[BJSHANLEY2112]

Originally posted by 93Accord
Yeah I got the sleeve kit from raceeng.com.
Prelude pistons will not fit with just a hone. Their stock diameter is 87mm where accords are 85mm. Plus there more than likely is a difference in the location of the wrist pin on the pistons, as well as the fact that you have to worry about if the vavles will meet up with the "pockets" of the pistons since its from a different motor. Plus you really can't bore out the cylinder walls in an accord since the stock sleeves are rather thin. My recommendation to you would to be to get higher compression pistons that are 85mm.

I was talkin about the pistons in the lowest line pelude(the S) with the f22, i think they have higher compression pistons in thier f22's than we do n our f22's. the compressin is not that much of a difference but hey, it might help. thanks for da recommendation, looks like i'm going to be saving for awhile....

[93Accord]

Pistons really aren't that much, I got mine for like 369 and 80 for the rings. Rods and a sleeve kit are what make up the bulk of the bill. The rods were 675 and the sleeve was 520.

[BJSHANLEY2112]

its not really the $ on parts i'm worried about, its puttin the sleevs in the block and other shit thats goina cost...let me know how much u pay for all of it

[93Accord]

Got my stuff today, everything but the sleeve, which is going to take 3 - 5 weeks rageeng.com didn't have any and either did darton so they have to make more. I'll post some pics of the slugs and rods tonight.

[Howitt]

if paid 500+ for sleeves and guess 50 an hour of machine time at 2 hours a sleeve thats 900. What other work is the machine shop doing? when Golden eagle can sleeve you block for less than that. I think you got ripped on sleeves cause Ive seen places sell dartons for 350ish but they were for B-series engines so that could make the difference. Just trying to look out for you and make sure people arent over paying

[93Accord]

Actually I had a friend who shipped his block out to golden eagle and had them resleeve his B16, and it cost him $900 round trip with shipping. You have too keep in mind though, F22 sleeves are even close to as common as B series sleeves. You also have to look at what type of sleeve kit it is, does it have a block guard built into it that makes it close deck, or is it a stock replacement sleeve that is just ductile iron instead of cast iron. Trust me we have been researching for a long time, and even if there was ways to spend less $, our plans are well thought out, and there is reasons behind all of our desicions.

[93Accord]

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[Howitt]

I hope you feel confident in JG I have heard some horror stories from them but some good stuff also. Those are crower rods right?

[Howitt]

btw what kind of rings are you gonna use?

[93Accord]

I'm using file fit rings, and so far everything seems to be going smooth with JG, they are a big name company, and I don't think there should be much to have to worry about. Side note about street legality, might not pass emissions, but its got an inspection sticker

[kentucky accord]

im excited about your project as well because i am planning on doing the exact same things except i wont be going w/ the crower rod. what are you going to do for engine management, i.e. fuel, timing, etc.?

good luck on the build up.

[93Accord]

The fuel system right now is upgraded with a BBK 255 lph fuel pump, and an AEM rail, I am also probably going to run a 3 gallon fuel cell in the trunk with an external hi flow pump for the nitrous setup that way it doesnt starve out when I run it on nitrous, I'm waiting to hear from JG and see what size injectors they recommend with the head package. I just shipped the head and throttle body out today. As far as engine management goes, I'm going to see if the stock ECU will be good, but I have a feeling that it won't so I'm probably going to wind up having to get a Hondata system.

[kentucky accord]

how much is JG milling your head? are they just going to do a clean resurface job or mill the piss out of it like Gude/Bullfrog? i run that gude package on my car and dont have any complaints but i know there is better stuff out there. i do plan on running the gude head w/ 11:1 slugs for like a 12:1 final ratio. of course, i am staying all motor and dont see nitrous in my future. for rods, i am avoiding crower based on cost alone, i love the product, dont love the price. i will go with any h23 aftermarket rod that is availale...most likely i will go w/ eagle. im not boosting, nitrous'ing, or spinning to the moon w/ revs so any plan ol' forged rod will do me just fine.

good luck and keep the thread alive.

[93Accord]

I hear you about the rod pricing, I got mine at a "good" price of $644. JG only will mill it if it is requested or needed, otherwise it is just surfaced. Check out this link for all the info on the head package, it seems to be a much better deal than the gude package.
http://www.jgenginedynamics.com/3000...0and%20F23.pdf

[93Accord]

Shipped out the intake manifold today, two weeks or so and all this crap should be on its way back to me. God I hate waiting for this sleeve package. I wish my block was being machined now, really putting a kink in my plans.

[93Accord]

Well, got a new kink in my plans. Darton apparently made my damn sleeve kit wrong, now I have to either wait 8 weeks for a new sleeve kit to be made, or send back the pistons I have and wait another 4 weeks for new pistons. This sucks.

[93Accord]

Got word from JG yesterday, they said there was little porting work left to be done on the head. The throttle body should be done today and the cam should be finished by friday. The suggested 270cc injectors which seemed very low to me, so they are looking into that more. I calculated from rceng.com that I should be running around a 480cc injector. Anyway I'll let you guys know what the total bill from them is and how it turns out when I get everything back.

[form]

saw this link at hondatech a few weks back felt like sharing with HS

http://www.importperformanceparts.ne...ctingrods.html


Much Props on the F22 build up !

[93Accord]

Yeah, I've seen those Probe rods, they are good for a moderate engine build up. I thought about them for a minute or two but they are really only good up to about 250 hp. That's fine for N/A but not a 200 shot. Good look out for the N/A guys though.

[93Accord]

Ut oh, UPS stopped again today. Darton sleeves, and a nice aem cam gear that I won't even be able to adjust due to lack of piston to valve clearance. But hey it'll look pretty.

[kentucky accord]

looking good!

i just noticed in your sig that you sent back your pistons...why? aslo, who told you about the lack of piston to valve clearance? i have only researched parts, not assembly of the block.

[93Accord]

I sent back the pistons because they were 85mm and the sleeve kit was accidentally machined to 85.5mm so the pistons were a tad bit too small. Wiseco is making 85.5mm 11:1 pistons for me so they fit right. As far as the valve to pistons clearance, with the bigger cam, and higher dome on the pistons, I know its going to be closer. I wont know exactly until its all together though.